Comments on: IFAW Applauds eBay for Global Ivory Ban; An Interview with Barbara Cartwright, IFAW Campaign Manager http://ebayinkblog.com/2008/12/29/ifaw-applauds-ebay-for-global-ivory-ban-an-interview-with-barbara-cartwright-ifaw-campaign-manager/ an inside look at the wide world of eBay, Inc. Thu, 24 May 2012 00:40:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Kevin http://ebayinkblog.com/2008/12/29/ifaw-applauds-ebay-for-global-ivory-ban-an-interview-with-barbara-cartwright-ifaw-campaign-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-8254 Kevin Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:40:44 +0000 http://ebayinkblog.com/?p=1538#comment-8254 I hope you all have deep pockets, good insurance and a team of attorneys as I've heard a rumor that Alaskan Natives are monting a huge class action suit against this totally discriminatory movement. Alaskan Native arts and crafts are now targeted by the likes of these clowns who are clueless about the legality of ivory sales. If they ask for my support, either monitarily, or otherwise, you can bet I'll be there. [Sentence edited: See Comment Policy] Kevin A Native Alaska and Inuit art collector for 42 years! I hope you all have deep pockets, good insurance and a team of attorneys as I’ve heard a rumor that Alaskan Natives are monting a huge class action suit against this totally discriminatory movement. Alaskan Native arts and crafts are now targeted by the likes of these clowns who are clueless about the legality of ivory sales. If they ask for my support, either monitarily, or otherwise, you can bet I’ll be there.

[Sentence edited: See Comment Policy]

Kevin

A Native Alaska and Inuit art collector for 42 years!

]]> By: Kathi http://ebayinkblog.com/2008/12/29/ifaw-applauds-ebay-for-global-ivory-ban-an-interview-with-barbara-cartwright-ifaw-campaign-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-8238 Kathi Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:47:23 +0000 http://ebayinkblog.com/?p=1538#comment-8238 Sue S, I couldn't agree more. You said it with much more impact and tact than I could have. Furthermore, the CITES ban did not begin until 1975, so anything made or traded until that point should NOT be included in the Ebay ban. The requirement that a piece be pre-1900 with less than 5% ivory content is too much! First, how does one get that kind of documentation? Second, WALRUS ivory is COMPLETELY legal and many beautiful pieces come from Alaska. Along with the Tiffany ban and who knows what will come next, pretty soon all that will be available on Ebay will be China products made by some poor child chained to a table! Sue S, I couldn’t agree more. You said it with much more impact and tact than I could have. Furthermore, the CITES ban did not begin until 1975, so anything made or traded until that point should NOT be included in the Ebay ban. The requirement that a piece be pre-1900 with less than 5% ivory content is too much! First, how does one get that kind of documentation? Second, WALRUS ivory is COMPLETELY legal and many beautiful pieces come from Alaska.
Along with the Tiffany ban and who knows what will come next, pretty soon all that will be available on Ebay will be China products made by some poor child chained to a table!

]]> By: Priscilla http://ebayinkblog.com/2008/12/29/ifaw-applauds-ebay-for-global-ivory-ban-an-interview-with-barbara-cartwright-ifaw-campaign-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-8171 Priscilla Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:00:50 +0000 http://ebayinkblog.com/?p=1538#comment-8171 BIG kudos to Sue Steinacher for her comments on this policy and the potential for its seriously and disproportionately impacting Alaska Native artists. She knows what she's talking about and I hope her suggestions are heeded. Without such nuance, the policy seems well-meaning but kind of poorly informed and reasoned, with regard to this (perhaps) unintended consequence. BIG kudos to Sue Steinacher for her comments on this policy and the potential for its seriously and disproportionately impacting Alaska Native artists. She knows what she’s talking about and I hope her suggestions are heeded. Without such nuance, the policy seems well-meaning but kind of poorly informed and reasoned, with regard to this (perhaps) unintended consequence.

]]> By: Milo C Wilson http://ebayinkblog.com/2008/12/29/ifaw-applauds-ebay-for-global-ivory-ban-an-interview-with-barbara-cartwright-ifaw-campaign-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-8121 Milo C Wilson Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:14:38 +0000 http://ebayinkblog.com/?p=1538#comment-8121 I have been buying and selling on Ebay for several years and my only reason for doing so was to buy Ivory items . I am affiliated with the Federal government and Know for a fact that the laws concerning the purchase ,ownership and sale of Ivory items is legal as defined under the below Conventions and regulation as long as the letter of law is fufilled.I also know that as long as the legal requirements of providence are met that in the USA We can do just that. Now after purchasing over $240,000 (retail value) of elephant ivory through Ebay and with Ebay knowing the entire time about the regulations that are provideded in DEFRA and CITIES which allow the legal purchase and sale of Ivory. Ebay has caved in and now have cost me and many others a small fortune based on someones individual ( not LEGAL) idea of right and wrong. IF this is the case then we should allow no items in from S.E. Asia where child labor laws and sexual abuse of minors is uncontroled as are freedom of religion and persicution of those whose beliefs are not the same as ruling party. I have defended my country for 40 years and do not like to be told that because some idoit who has never seen an elephant much less an Ass in the wild is attempting to control legal commerce.Just because one company has attained a large market share doesnot give that company the right to willy nilly deside who what and where an item may be purchased or sold. THIS violates all the things which I as AN American Citizen Stand for. It is a shame that things like this happen but then look at Leaman Brothers who thought they could do no wrong or G.E. people who have lots of power or control should exercise good judgment. Lets not forget the cloth , clothing, herbal items, toys and and many other items from china and the far East which have chemicals or other contaminants which are freely sold on Ebay. PLEASE NOTE any PAINTINGS done prior to 1955 that have black in the painting HAVE ELEPHANT IVORY IN THE Painting as the scrap from elephant carvings was burned into a black power and mixed to make IVORY BLACK PAINT any painting that has over .05% black in it therefor should not be sold and any MUSEUM , or Gallery should be shut down ???? what about the fact that these items were taken befor ban and any fool cal tell if item is new or not based on the softness and amount of oil on the ITEMS!!! what about Que balls and pool sticks? [Sentence edited: see comment policy] Nor have they given the complet facts or absolute truth on the sale of Ivory including the artistic items that were produced within the legal scope of the law . They also didnot explain that there are over 100,000 elephants world wide and the various governments cannot support even a small percentage of the animals without endangering human life and property. THAT the small amount of Government sales actually bought moniters for elephants so they could be monitered and hearded away from villages and farm land before they harm property and people. WE as people are numbered in the billions and we cannot even regulate the way our species disregards its own population..... You better be more concerned about what happens to theSHARK population as when it is gone the other fishes of the world will cause an all out loss of sea food by over population much like pople have done. DO YOUR home work donot be mislead by some one who makes $235,000 a year ( including bonus and travel) saying donot sell Ivory that was killed before ban on sales. I hate to sever my association with what once was a great company but as of June 1, I am gone( maybe sooner) if they cannot take the critical look by others. comments by others would be welcome . milowilsoniii@milowilson com NOTE Everything I have said is avaiable through National Geographic, ANIMAL planet, History Channel and Public disclosures required by law YOUR SHEEPDOG , always on watch I have been buying and selling on Ebay for several years and my only reason for doing so was to buy Ivory items . I am affiliated with the Federal government and Know for a fact that the laws concerning the purchase ,ownership and sale of Ivory items is legal as defined under the below Conventions and regulation as long as the letter of law is fufilled.I also know that as long as the legal requirements of providence are met that in the USA We can do just that. Now after purchasing over $240,000 (retail value) of elephant ivory through Ebay and with Ebay knowing the entire time about the regulations that are provideded in DEFRA and CITIES which allow the legal purchase and sale of Ivory. Ebay has caved in and now have cost me and many others a small fortune based on someones individual ( not LEGAL) idea of right and wrong.
IF this is the case then we should allow no items in from S.E. Asia where child labor laws and sexual abuse of minors is uncontroled as are freedom of religion and persicution of those whose beliefs are not the same as ruling party.
I have defended my country for 40 years and do not like to be told that because some idoit who has never seen an elephant much less an Ass in the wild is attempting to control legal commerce.Just because one company has attained a large market share doesnot give that company the right to willy nilly deside who what and where an item may be purchased or sold. THIS violates all the things which I as AN American Citizen Stand for. It is a shame that things like this happen but then look at Leaman Brothers who thought they could do no wrong or G.E. people who have lots of power or control should exercise good judgment.
Lets not forget the cloth , clothing, herbal items, toys
and and many other items from china and the far East which have chemicals or other contaminants which are freely sold on Ebay.
PLEASE NOTE any PAINTINGS done prior to 1955 that have black in the painting HAVE ELEPHANT IVORY IN THE Painting as the scrap from elephant carvings was burned into a black power and mixed to make IVORY BLACK PAINT any painting that has over .05% black in it therefor should not be sold and any MUSEUM , or Gallery should be shut down ???? what about the fact that these items were taken befor ban and any fool cal tell if item is new or not based on the softness and amount of oil on the ITEMS!!! what about Que balls and pool sticks?
[Sentence edited: see comment policy] Nor have they given the complet facts or absolute truth on the sale of Ivory including the artistic items that were produced within the legal scope of the law . They also didnot explain that there are over 100,000 elephants world wide and the various governments cannot support even a small percentage of the animals without endangering human life and property. THAT the small amount of Government sales actually bought moniters for elephants so they could be monitered and hearded away from villages and farm land before they harm property and people.
WE as people are numbered in the billions and we cannot even regulate the way our species disregards its own population…..
You better be more concerned about what happens to theSHARK population as when it is gone the other fishes of the world will cause an all out loss of sea food by over population much like pople have done.
DO YOUR home work donot be mislead by some one who makes $235,000 a year ( including bonus and travel) saying donot sell Ivory that was killed before ban on sales.

I hate to sever my association with what once was a great company but as of June 1, I am gone( maybe sooner) if they cannot take the critical look by others.

comments by others would be welcome .
milowilsoniii@milowilson com

NOTE Everything I have said is avaiable
through National Geographic, ANIMAL planet, History Channel and Public disclosures required by law
YOUR SHEEPDOG , always on watch

]]> By: mark antebi http://ebayinkblog.com/2008/12/29/ifaw-applauds-ebay-for-global-ivory-ban-an-interview-with-barbara-cartwright-ifaw-campaign-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-8118 mark antebi Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:17:24 +0000 http://ebayinkblog.com/?p=1538#comment-8118 I understand ebay's decision to ban ivory. But why ban items made from Mammoth Ivory? There are no international restrictions on Mammoth Ivory because Mastadon elephants have been extinct for 20,000 plus years. Why cant honest sellers sell mammoth ivory carvings and pieces? one good reason? I understand ebay’s decision to ban ivory. But why ban items made from Mammoth Ivory? There are no international restrictions on Mammoth Ivory because Mastadon elephants have been extinct for 20,000 plus years.

Why cant honest sellers sell mammoth ivory carvings and pieces? one good reason?

]]> By: Sue Steinacher http://ebayinkblog.com/2008/12/29/ifaw-applauds-ebay-for-global-ivory-ban-an-interview-with-barbara-cartwright-ifaw-campaign-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-8116 Sue Steinacher Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:08:45 +0000 http://ebayinkblog.com/?p=1538#comment-8116 I am an Alaska wildlife biologist turned wildlife educator deeply concerned about abolishing the illegal international trade in wildlife. HOWEVER, I am disturbed that nowhere is the distinction made between elephant ivory and walrus ivory, even though the two ivories are readily distinguishable. The sale of Alaska Eskimo-made carvings of walrus ivory is completely legal within the US, and is a critical source of income in remote Alaska villages where there is a severe shortage of jobs. (A 50% unemployment rate is common.) While people still practice many traditional subsistence activities, cash is also required for basic necessities of life in America - even in our remote Native villages. A recent economic development workshop in Nome, Alaska focused exclusively on teaching Native artists how to sell their walrus ivory carvings on eBay. While your efforts at discouraging the shameful poaching of elephants is to be commended, you have inadvertently discriminated against Native Alaskans, as well as the non-Natives who completely legally purchase and sell contemporary as well as historical carvings on eBay. I propose that you work in concert with the IFAW and the Eskimo Walrus Commission (supported by the US Fish & Wildlife Service) to make an exception to the sale of walrus ivory carvings, and determine a system for pre-certifying that items are of walrus ivory before allowing them to be posted on eBay. While walruses are threatened by the effects of climate warming, their numbers remain high, and any decline will not be due to legal and USFWS-monitored hunting by Alaska Natives. This group and those who buy and sell walrus ivory carvings should not be included in this ban. I am an Alaska wildlife biologist turned wildlife educator deeply concerned about abolishing the illegal international trade in wildlife. HOWEVER, I am disturbed that nowhere is the distinction made between elephant ivory and walrus ivory, even though the two ivories are readily distinguishable. The sale of Alaska Eskimo-made carvings of walrus ivory is completely legal within the US, and is a critical source of income in remote Alaska villages where there is a severe shortage of jobs. (A 50% unemployment rate is common.) While people still practice many traditional subsistence activities, cash is also required for basic necessities of life in America – even in our remote Native villages. A recent economic development workshop in Nome, Alaska focused exclusively on teaching Native artists how to sell their walrus ivory carvings on eBay. While your efforts at discouraging the shameful poaching of elephants is to be commended, you have inadvertently discriminated against Native Alaskans, as well as the non-Natives who completely legally purchase and sell contemporary as well as historical carvings on eBay. I propose that you work in concert with the IFAW and the Eskimo Walrus Commission (supported by the US Fish & Wildlife Service) to make an exception to the sale of walrus ivory carvings, and determine a system for pre-certifying that items are of walrus ivory before allowing them to be posted on eBay. While walruses are threatened by the effects of climate warming, their numbers remain high, and any decline will not be due to legal and USFWS-monitored hunting by Alaska Natives. This group and those who buy and sell walrus ivory carvings should not be included in this ban.

]]>