Monday, December 29th, 2008
IFAW Applauds eBay for Global Ivory Ban; An Interview with Barbara Cartwright, IFAW Campaign Manager

I first reported that eBay was instituting a global ban on ivory sales on its website back in October. Earlier today, The International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) issued a press release talking about the ban and how the organization worked closely with eBay to make it happen. I received a lot of emails and comments regarding the news so when I heard that IFAW was issuing a press release this week, I thought it would be great to get some time to discuss it with Barbara Cartwright, IFAW Campaign Manager. What follows is the transcript of her answers to my questions over this past weekend. Thanks again to Barbara for taking the time and for sharing her thoughts, and the point of view of the IFAW, here with Ink readers.
1) IFAW has been studying the on-line trade of endangered species for some time now. What prompted your interest in this issue, and what have you found?
IFAW has been fighting the illegal wildlife trade for about thirty years, using investigations, education, and advocacy to better understand and fight this damaging trade. Over the past ten or so years, we became increasingly concerned about the way the Internet could be used to facilitate the illegal wildlife trade. The web can link buyers and sellers through a lucrative and relatively risk-free channel for illegal trade. Current national laws aimed at regulating wildlife trade have not kept pace with the growth of Internet trade. And even where laws exist, enforcement is often inadequate or simply not focused on trafficking in wildlife.
In an effort to combat this trade, IFAW began actively monitoring common internet trade sites in 2004. We have published 4 reports that revealed shockingly high numbers of wildlife products traded daily on the web. IFAW’s most recent report, Killing With Keystrokes, detailed the results of an intensive investigation undertaken, in part, to better understand the scope and scale of the illegal wildlife trade. In the course of just six weeks, we were astonished to find more than 7,000 wild animals and animal products for sale online. This figure was all the more alarming because the survey was restricted only to trade in CITES Appendix 1 protected species —and even within this narrow group we only looked at primates, elephant, reptiles, large wild cats, rhinoceros, and birds.
2) Why is the ivory trade a problem for elephants when it is legal?
First, it is important to state that the ivory trade has been banned internationally since 1989 under Convention on the International Trade in Endangered Species (or “CITES”). It was made illegal after a decades long crisis in which elephants, slaughtered for their tusks, were driven towards extinction. With the proper permits, CITES allowed for the sale of antique ivory that was obtained before the convention came into place. Sadly, in 1997, and again in 2008, the total ban was further diluted, allowing a resumption of limited commercial trade in elephant ivory from Botswana, Namibia, South Africa and Zimbabwe via two stockpile sales.
In effect, the commercial trade in ivory has created a tragic situation for elephant populations with many thousands being killed annually for their tusks. Since it is impossible for the human eye to distinguish between legal and illegal ivory, outlaws have taken advantage of the “loophole” of legal sales to target weakly patrolled elephant habitats to smuggle and launder ivory from poached elephants into legal inventories.
But whether the ivory was obtained legally or illegally, it comes at the price of more dead elephants – any trade in ivory drives more poaching. If elephants in Africa and Asia are to have a chance of survival, the trade in ivory must be completely prohibited both domestically and internationally.
3) Before researching more about this, I thought that endangered species were protected by national and international laws. Is this not that case? What’s the state of play with the world’s endangered species?
The state of play is actually pretty grim. The International Union for the Conservation of Nature (or “IUCN”) estimates that one in four mammals is at risk of disappearing forever. Despite this unbelievably bleak reality, current international and national laws are too patchy, complex and ineffective to afford endangered species sufficient protection. Threats to species survival include habitat loss and degradation, disease, invasive species, new threats posed by climate change – and of course, unsustainable trade.
What protections do endangered species have? There are a variety of international, national, regional or local laws. For example, the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora is an international agreement between member governments that aims to ensure that international trade in wild animals and plants does not threaten their survival. CITES protected species are ranked in three groups depending on the level of protection needed. In the United States, we have the Endangered Species Act (or “ESA”), a federal law which was created to provide for the conservation of imperiled wildlife. Species qualify for protection under the ESA if they are placed on the federal list of endangered and threatened wildlife and plants. Another often cited global source to determine the level of endangerment of a species is the “Red List” of species at risk which is produced by the IUCN. Despite its impressive sounding name, the “Red List”, does not offer any legal protection.
All these lists and protections, and other ones too, are only as good as the scientific data they are based on and their monitoring and enforcement capabilities — and most offer numerous loopholes that allow endangered species to still be legally killed if certain requirements are met. So while some protections are better than none, the system is still far from perfect.
4) IFAW was one of a handful of groups that felt passionately that eBay needed to ban the sale of ivory on our sites, including in the US. Given that the sale of ivory is arguably legal in the US, what led you to this conclusion?
In order to comply with CITES, the sale of ivory in the U.S. — and all other CITES member countries — is legal only under very specific circumstances. However, the laws that individual countries have created to comply with CITES have ended up being complex and filled with loopholes and enforcement challenges. For example, in the US, ivory sellers must either have ivory that is antique (which can be proven by certification that it is over 100 years old), or they must be in legal possession of the ivory at the time of the sale (which means the ivory must have been taken from the wild before the elephant was listed as protected in the U.S. — a date which varies depending on whether it was taken from an African or Asian elephant). Verifying this over the Internet is nearly impossible as the buyer and seller never actually meet and the transactions are by nature anonymous and unmonitored. Globally, many of these ivory laws were written prior to the invention of the Internet, and with enough ambiguity, loopholes, and opportunities for laundering illegal ivory under the guise of legal ivory, that meaningful enforcement efforts to control the sale of ivory over the Internet are difficult if not impossible. IFAW’s six week investigation of 185 websites found over 5,000 pieces of ivory being sold over the Web with little or no proof of legality. While in the background over 20,000 elephants are still being poached annually in the wild for their ivory. IFAW and other conservation groups feel that the only way to successfully stop the Internet from contributing to this brutal trade is a complete ban of ivory on th Web. eBay showed great leadership in taking this step, and we hope that other buyer-seller sites will follow.
5) We’ve focused on animal ivory here since that’s the focus of eBay’s ban. But what other challenges to endangered species do you see being posed by on-line commerce?
Over the five years that we have been researching the illegal trade in wildlife on the web elephant ivory has remained the biggest problem on publicly accessible websites. Our most recent investigation showed that elephant ivory dominated the products investigated comprising 73% of the items tracked. But that should not overshadow all the other species that are being sold daily. One of the most surprising findings of our investigation was the thriving market for live exotic birds, which was responsible for 20% of the trade we tracked. This market not only contributes to species endangerment, but also untold suffering as live animals are packaged for smuggling, most often across international borders, in dismal containers, with many dying in transit for every one that survives.
6) Now that eBay’s ban is about to go into effect, what’s next for your overall campaign to eliminate the illegal wildlife trade on-line?
In order to further protect wildlife from on-line illegal trade, all websites should ban the sale of endangered and threatened species, as eBay has done. The ban of ivory on eBay is a momentous step forward to protect elephants. We will continue to encourage other sites to follow eBay’s lead. Meanwhile, it is critical to improve the myriad of laws and enforcement that govern the illegal trade both on-line and on-the-ground, therefore IFAW works on an on-going basis with international and national authorities such as Interpol, CITES and USFWS to both formally and informally provide information and data on the illegal wildlife trade. Finally, IFAW will continue to monitor and investigate the illegal trade in wildlife on the web and educate the public about the inherent cruelty and unsustainable nature of this trade.
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Sue SteinacherOn January 3, 2009 at 1:08 pm Said:
I am an Alaska wildlife biologist turned wildlife educator deeply concerned about abolishing the illegal international trade in wildlife. HOWEVER, I am disturbed that nowhere is the distinction made between elephant ivory and walrus ivory, even though the two ivories are readily distinguishable. The sale of Alaska Eskimo-made carvings of walrus ivory is completely legal within the US, and is a critical source of income in remote Alaska villages where there is a severe shortage of jobs. (A 50% unemployment rate is common.) While people still practice many traditional subsistence activities, cash is also required for basic necessities of life in America – even in our remote Native villages. A recent economic development workshop in Nome, Alaska focused exclusively on teaching Native artists how to sell their walrus ivory carvings on eBay. While your efforts at discouraging the shameful poaching of elephants is to be commended, you have inadvertently discriminated against Native Alaskans, as well as the non-Natives who completely legally purchase and sell contemporary as well as historical carvings on eBay. I propose that you work in concert with the IFAW and the Eskimo Walrus Commission (supported by the US Fish & Wildlife Service) to make an exception to the sale of walrus ivory carvings, and determine a system for pre-certifying that items are of walrus ivory before allowing them to be posted on eBay. While walruses are threatened by the effects of climate warming, their numbers remain high, and any decline will not be due to legal and USFWS-monitored hunting by Alaska Natives. This group and those who buy and sell walrus ivory carvings should not be included in this ban.
mark antebiOn January 3, 2009 at 10:17 pm Said:
I understand ebay’s decision to ban ivory. But why ban items made from Mammoth Ivory? There are no international restrictions on Mammoth Ivory because Mastadon elephants have been extinct for 20,000 plus years.
Why cant honest sellers sell mammoth ivory carvings and pieces? one good reason?
Milo C WilsonOn January 4, 2009 at 10:14 pm Said:
I have been buying and selling on Ebay for several years and my only reason for doing so was to buy Ivory items . I am affiliated with the Federal government and Know for a fact that the laws concerning the purchase ,ownership and sale of Ivory items is legal as defined under the below Conventions and regulation as long as the letter of law is fufilled.I also know that as long as the legal requirements of providence are met that in the USA We can do just that. Now after purchasing over $240,000 (retail value) of elephant ivory through Ebay and with Ebay knowing the entire time about the regulations that are provideded in DEFRA and CITIES which allow the legal purchase and sale of Ivory. Ebay has caved in and now have cost me and many others a small fortune based on someones individual ( not LEGAL) idea of right and wrong.
IF this is the case then we should allow no items in from S.E. Asia where child labor laws and sexual abuse of minors is uncontroled as are freedom of religion and persicution of those whose beliefs are not the same as ruling party.
I have defended my country for 40 years and do not like to be told that because some idoit who has never seen an elephant much less an Ass in the wild is attempting to control legal commerce.Just because one company has attained a large market share doesnot give that company the right to willy nilly deside who what and where an item may be purchased or sold. THIS violates all the things which I as AN American Citizen Stand for. It is a shame that things like this happen but then look at Leaman Brothers who thought they could do no wrong or G.E. people who have lots of power or control should exercise good judgment.
Lets not forget the cloth , clothing, herbal items, toys
and and many other items from china and the far East which have chemicals or other contaminants which are freely sold on Ebay.
PLEASE NOTE any PAINTINGS done prior to 1955 that have black in the painting HAVE ELEPHANT IVORY IN THE Painting as the scrap from elephant carvings was burned into a black power and mixed to make IVORY BLACK PAINT any painting that has over .05% black in it therefor should not be sold and any MUSEUM , or Gallery should be shut down ???? what about the fact that these items were taken befor ban and any fool cal tell if item is new or not based on the softness and amount of oil on the ITEMS!!! what about Que balls and pool sticks?
[Sentence edited: see comment policy] Nor have they given the complet facts or absolute truth on the sale of Ivory including the artistic items that were produced within the legal scope of the law . They also didnot explain that there are over 100,000 elephants world wide and the various governments cannot support even a small percentage of the animals without endangering human life and property. THAT the small amount of Government sales actually bought moniters for elephants so they could be monitered and hearded away from villages and farm land before they harm property and people.
WE as people are numbered in the billions and we cannot even regulate the way our species disregards its own population…..
You better be more concerned about what happens to theSHARK population as when it is gone the other fishes of the world will cause an all out loss of sea food by over population much like pople have done.
DO YOUR home work donot be mislead by some one who makes $235,000 a year ( including bonus and travel) saying donot sell Ivory that was killed before ban on sales.
I hate to sever my association with what once was a great company but as of June 1, I am gone( maybe sooner) if they cannot take the critical look by others.
comments by others would be welcome .
milowilsoniii@milowilson com
NOTE Everything I have said is avaiable
through National Geographic, ANIMAL planet, History Channel and Public disclosures required by law
YOUR SHEEPDOG , always on watch
PriscillaOn January 12, 2009 at 9:00 pm Said:
BIG kudos to Sue Steinacher for her comments on this policy and the potential for its seriously and disproportionately impacting Alaska Native artists. She knows what she’s talking about and I hope her suggestions are heeded. Without such nuance, the policy seems well-meaning but kind of poorly informed and reasoned, with regard to this (perhaps) unintended consequence.
KathiOn January 19, 2009 at 3:47 am Said:
Sue S, I couldn’t agree more. You said it with much more impact and tact than I could have. Furthermore, the CITES ban did not begin until 1975, so anything made or traded until that point should NOT be included in the Ebay ban. The requirement that a piece be pre-1900 with less than 5% ivory content is too much! First, how does one get that kind of documentation? Second, WALRUS ivory is COMPLETELY legal and many beautiful pieces come from Alaska.
Along with the Tiffany ban and who knows what will come next, pretty soon all that will be available on Ebay will be China products made by some poor child chained to a table!
KevinOn January 19, 2009 at 5:40 pm Said:
I hope you all have deep pockets, good insurance and a team of attorneys as I’ve heard a rumor that Alaskan Natives are monting a huge class action suit against this totally discriminatory movement. Alaskan Native arts and crafts are now targeted by the likes of these clowns who are clueless about the legality of ivory sales. If they ask for my support, either monitarily, or otherwise, you can bet I’ll be there.
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Kevin
A Native Alaska and Inuit art collector for 42 years!
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