Wednesday, August 6th, 2008
Online Sellers Officially on IRS Radar

I saw a WSJ article last week breaking down how the new housing reform bill would include a provision that would require PayPal and other processors of online payments to report annual gross receipts to the IRS.
Ken Swab, senior federal government relations officer at PayPal, has since written about it on the PayPal blog.
According to Ken, under the legislation, PayPal will be required to report to the IRS the total payment volume received by PayPal customers in the U.S. who receive more than $20,000 in payment volume in a single year; and receive more than 200 payments in a single year.
Ken went on to say: I want to emphasize that this new law affects a small percentage of PayPal customers. Early versions of the legislation would have required PayPal to report total payment volume of many more customers, including those who received as little as $600 per year. We worked hard to educate Congress about the unique features of PayPal and the unique nature of our customer base. We also educated lawmakers about the many PayPal customers who receive money from others for reasons not related to operating a business.
It should be pointed out that the WSJ article originally stated that, “the payment processors will be required to file a 1099 form for each merchant to the IRS and to the merchant. They won’t have to file for merchants with less than $10,000 in gross sales and less than 200 transactions in a given year.” This has since been corrected at the bottom of the article online to reflect the $20K threshold.
With eBay encouraging safe, online transactions via PayPal (and other approved online payment solutions), and the fact that this legislation doesn’t take effect until 2011 (first reports will go to IRS in 2012) it will be interesting to see how many merchants this does apply to in 3 year’s time.
Related Links:
Online Sellers Face New IRS Rules
PayPal Required to report Payments to IRS
Attention eBay Users: Online Sellers Facing New IRS Rules
Tagged: ebay, ecommerce, housing bill, irs, paypal, tax, wall street journal, wsj
JJHOn 08.06.2008 at 4:53 pm Said:
It will be interesting to see how many merchants STOP taking Paypal to stay off the radar.
JulieOn 08.06.2008 at 5:22 pm Said:
It’s sad to think of the stay at home parents like me, making some money on the side. We may be reported for having over 200 transactions but not totaling $20,000
Government should take cuts from the wealthiest percentage!
MechelleOn 08.06.2008 at 6:33 pm Said:
making money on the side - is reportable income and if you are reporting then you are part of the issue that leads to this type of legislation.
200 transactions (payments received) is not your standard oh I’ll try to sell this on eBay trait- and 20,000 sure as H*** isn’t- unless it is a car or something.
“Government should take cuts from the wealthiest percentage!”
The government should shore up all the BS the wealthy can use to wiggle out of paying their portion of taxes. That doesn’t mean the wealthy should pay a tax rate disproportionately higher rate relative to the rest of us, which of course is relative to our income. Anyone not reporting 20,000 (on the side money) is robbing the rest of society - in other words you are robbing your social peers and lending to higher taxing for those of us who pay our taxes.
Taxes suck, but all aspects of being a grown up suck so may as well be a contributing member of society sucking it up like the rest of us- LOL
Patricia1On 08.06.2008 at 7:44 pm Said:
Funny, I just always reported my internet sales from Ebay and my website. I even collect California State Sales Tax and send that in too. I was audited only once back in 1982 and I never want to go thru that ordeal again. So, let em come…I’ve got it covered
I can’t imagine why folks don’t want to report it. You really don’t want to get on the wrong side of the IRS.
KPAOn 08.07.2008 at 5:29 am Said:
Class envy is such and ugly way to look at our society. We are fortunate to live in a country that gives each citizen the opportunity to become wealthy. To only want to tax the wealthy is ignorance of just how much the wealthy support the masses. They pay over 70% of the taxes now. Why should they be forced to pay more.
Julie, if you worked damned hard all your life, sacrificed time and money, took risk and it paid off and you found yourself to be wealthy and paying 70% of the tax burden would you want some pip-squeek telling you that you weren’t doing enough and needed to pay more?
EVERY tax payer has deductions they can take, the greater the assets and holdings the greater the deductions. I am by no means wealthy but I believe ALL citizens of this country should support it, not just the wealthy. My husband and I HATE having to pay 45% of every dollar we make to the government to give to programs that enable people to be lazy and not work but that’s life, we pay it and work our butts off to make the money we want for our benefit. I’ll be damned if I want to give Uncle Sam more of it but to not report income and lie on tax forms is a recipe for financial ruin. You can’t fight the government and win usually.
Anyone not reporting 20,000 (on the side money) is robbing the rest of society - in other words you are robbing your social peers and lending to higher taxing for those of us who pay our taxes. AMEN SISTER!!!!
I just wish the system would go to a 10-15% flat tax and level the playing field. Sorry if this offends but I believe what the Bible says, (paraphrase) the man that does not work, does not eat.
DangyOn 08.07.2008 at 12:56 pm Said:
“Government should take cuts from the wealthiest percentage!”
In 2006 the top 1% of income earners paid 39.89% of all income taxes. The threshold for the top 1% starts at $388,606. A large percentage of these people are small business owners. 70% of Americans work for a small business. I don’t think it would be in anybody’s interest to tax these people out existence.
These are the folks that allow the bottom 50% ($31,987) to take a virtual free ride. The “wealthiest” Americans are already doing much more than their fair share of paying taxes. ![]()
SandiOn 08.07.2008 at 6:40 pm Said:
Julie, sorry being a stay at home parent does not exempt you from the same rules everyone else lives by. What kind of lesson is that teaching your children?
Everyone, not just some you deem, is required to play by the same rules.
Reality check, many Americans don’t consider making 20,00 or so a year a “side” job. It’s people who have cheated on their taxes that make rules like this neccessary.
I suppose you collect the earned income credit as well?
Patricia1On 08.07.2008 at 8:41 pm Said:
I don’t like to hear of folks not paying their taxes. I’m retired and living on a fixed income and though most years I don’t make enough to pay the government I still file all the same! If I can do it - everybody can!
AmberOn 08.08.2008 at 9:24 am Said:
Class envy is such and ugly way to look at our society.
My husband and I HATE having to pay 45% of every dollar we make to the government to give to programs that enable people to be lazy and not work
Wow. Just wow. That’s ugly and hateful IMHO.
People who complain the wealthy aren’t paying enough aren’t anymore ignorant of the way the system works than people who claim all taxes support welfare recipients who don’t do anything.
Taxes pay for much more than ‘public’ benefits. They pay for education, for roads, for public transit, for firefighters, for hospitals and other services utilized by ALL classes of society.
I am a stay-at-home mom with an online business. I paid taxes on my income last year. At a much higher rate than most, since it’s self-employment taxes. But the fact remains that I reported that income and I paid the taxes. I’m not happy about the new legislation because of privacy concerns, not because of the underlying financial issues.
The fact remains that the truly, astonishingly wealthy people of this country do not pay the same overall % of taxes that the ‘average’ person does. Warren Buffett pays a lower % of his income in taxes than a receptionist for his company. Sure, he pays MORE in terms of sheer numbers, but the percentage is lower. You can look it up on the web–it was widely reported around April.
But the inequity of the system isn’t excuse enough to avoid paying your taxes. I just wish there were a way to make people accountable without sacrificing privacy concerns.
Patricia1On 08.08.2008 at 10:30 am Said:
“Taxes pay for much more than ‘public’ benefits. They pay for education, for roads, for public transit, for firefighters, for hospitals and other services utilized by ALL classes of society.”
Yes…and our taxes also pay for handouts around the world and a huge unnecessary war….but only when it comes to our own people - then our society starts complaining. How very uninformed and manipulated they really are…
GailOn 08.08.2008 at 12:54 pm Said:
“Taxes pay for much more than ‘public’ benefits. They pay for education, for roads, for public transit, for firefighters, for hospitals and other services utilized by ALL classes of society.”
State taxes pay for those. Federal taxes pay for all the public assistance programs.
AmberOn 08.08.2008 at 1:48 pm Said:
State taxes pay for those. Federal taxes pay for all the public assistance programs.
Umm. No. State taxes pay a portion of that. At least they do here in CA. Medi-CAL is different from Medi-Care. Housing is locally funded. Roads are paid for via state AND federal taxes. Especially interstate highways. Gas taxes cover some, but not all, of the revenue there.
And Federal taxes also fund grant programs used by first responders. They fund scientific research. They fund infrastructure through targeted spending. They pay for much of the judiciary. They pay for executive enforcement and security. The federal government also pays for education–indirectly through the state budgets, but they DO distribute funds for schools. PILT is just one of many programs paid by the FEDERAL government directly to county governments–blame it on the counties if they use those funds for “handouts.”
The idea that every dime you pay the federal government goes to someone YOU deem unworthy is ridiculous and completely untrue.
And we’re not just talking about Federal taxes here. Your income that is reported to the IRS is also reported to your State Tax Board AND any applicable county assessor.
I don’t consider Social Security to be public assistance. Many (most) of the people on Social Security have worked their fair share. They certainly aren’t ‘lazy.’
I’m as unhappy as the next person about paying taxes. I think the government (fed, state, local) could do a better job getting MORE of the money directly to the people rather than filtering it down through agency after agency. BUT, this is the list of duties that are paid for with our taxes:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Analyses of where our money goes are readily available. I think it’s safe to say that the majority of the funds go to fulfill the duties listed above.
Patricia1On 08.08.2008 at 2:17 pm Said:
States pay the taxmoney to the government…OUR taxmoney - they get some of it back.
NancyOn 08.08.2008 at 8:42 pm Said:
Those who are upset or scared by this are ignorant. They should have been filing a schedule C all along and getting the benefits for having a small business. I’ve been on Ebay as a seller for 4 years and have always claimed all my sales and did a Sch. C along with other forms. Since several rooms in my home are being used for inventory along with my office which is my only place of business, I also take home office. Amazing how much that cuts into the gross!All of these deductions are legal and if you have not been filing and /or making use of them, you should be.By the time I deduct the cost of inventory,office supplies,misc expenses and then take the home office(also allows deductions for % of mortgage, utilities, home maintance and depreciation of your home), there is usually either very little income left to figure taxes on or none and it can go into a loss which you can take off of other income (my husband’s full time profession). Learn the tax system!
KPAOn 08.11.2008 at 4:52 am Said:
“That’s ugly and hateful IMHO.” I don’t see it that way at all…that’s EXACTLY what is happening with a portion of that 45%. I’ve worked since I was old enough to mow grass, babysit, do whatever someone wanted done and was willing to pay a few dollars. At age 16 I legally went to work and became a tax paying citizen…even when 16 year olds didn’t have to pay if they made under a certain amount. I had parents who believed in doing the right thing and tried to instill that in us. I’ve gladly paid my fair share for MANY decades for people who WON’T. The reality of our society is that some people will ALWAYS be lazy and expect others to pay their way for them. To think otherwise is naive and ignorant of how abused the government hand out programs are. If you don’t believe me work in the system for a while and it’ll be quite an eye opener.
For people who GENUINELY need the help of government and charities I say give freely. I’m not naive enough to think it will ever be a perfect system because it won’t but after many years of working my butt off to try and get ahead I am tired of the whiners who don’t contribute B1+@#!ng about how hard life is or how cruel or hateful hard working tax paying American’s are when we disagree with supporting their laziness. To deny it exist or happens is ingorance.
Our nation is the most generous on earth yet despised by the very countries standing there with their hands out. We give freely to people in this country who hate it yet many still stand there with their hands out taking while continuing to put it down. I would love to see all discretionary spending, pork barrel projects, overseas giving and all hand out programs stopped for just one year. We’d get out of the trillion dollar debt we’re under now and be a nation of means again instead of a debtor nation. Politician can’t continue to tax and spend like drunken sailors and expect us to remain strong. I fear from the future of my grandchildren with the way politicians are running the government now. It’s frightening and continuing to tax more and more and more of the wealthy and small business owners will only continue to hurt our nation which in turn hurts you and me.
Most people are afraid to speak up or take a stand for fear of sounding hateful, uncaring or not politically correct while they stand there and watch our once great nation go down the tubes. HOW SAD!!!










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